Comments on: MS03 – Origins of the Science http://bitesizeislam.wordpress.com/2008/01/30/ms03-origins-of-the-science/ A step by step introduction to the sciences of islam Tue, 29 Dec 2009 02:56:48 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: admin http://bitesizeislam.wordpress.com/2008/01/30/ms03-origins-of-the-science/#comment-50 admin Thu, 14 Feb 2008 23:03:35 +0000 http://bitesizeislam.wordpress.com/?p=36#comment-50 Yup, though not sure you mean by validity of a ruling...? Yup, though not sure you mean by validity of a ruling…?

]]> By: Irn Bro http://bitesizeislam.wordpress.com/2008/01/30/ms03-origins-of-the-science/#comment-42 Irn Bro Tue, 12 Feb 2008 13:04:11 +0000 http://bitesizeislam.wordpress.com/?p=36#comment-42 I think I understand - needed to reread some of the other posts again. Basically the misunderstanding I was under was that the 'illah and hikmah are subcategories of maqasid. However, that's not the case - they are in fact not related so directly. Instead 'Illah and Hikmah are reasons and wisdoms behind rulings, and those reasons and wisdoms can give rise to scholars deducing goals and objectives, which have no bearing on the validity or lack thereof of that particular ruling? I think I understand – needed to reread some of the other posts again. Basically the misunderstanding I was under was that the ‘illah and hikmah are subcategories of maqasid.

However, that’s not the case – they are in fact not related so directly.

Instead ‘Illah and Hikmah are reasons and wisdoms behind rulings, and those reasons and wisdoms can give rise to scholars deducing goals and objectives, which have no bearing on the validity or lack thereof of that particular ruling?

]]> By: MS06 - Degrees of Maqasid and Scholarly Opinions « bitesize islam http://bitesizeislam.wordpress.com/2008/01/30/ms03-origins-of-the-science/#comment-23 MS06 - Degrees of Maqasid and Scholarly Opinions « bitesize islam Fri, 08 Feb 2008 08:57:47 +0000 http://bitesizeislam.wordpress.com/?p=36#comment-23 [...] i.e. the relationship of  individual law to their objectives. Recall our discussion in MS03 where the processes for arriving at the maqasid were outlined. We said that it was through a [...] [...] i.e. the relationship of  individual law to their objectives. Recall our discussion in MS03 where the processes for arriving at the maqasid were outlined. We said that it was through a [...]

]]> By: MS05 - Conditions of the Maqasid « bitesize islam http://bitesizeislam.wordpress.com/2008/01/30/ms03-origins-of-the-science/#comment-21 MS05 - Conditions of the Maqasid « bitesize islam Wed, 06 Feb 2008 13:19:42 +0000 http://bitesizeislam.wordpress.com/?p=36#comment-21 [...] in order to be accepted as valid objectives. The scholars of this science, as introduced in MS03, defined the following list of [...] [...] in order to be accepted as valid objectives. The scholars of this science, as introduced in MS03, defined the following list of [...]

]]> By: admin http://bitesizeislam.wordpress.com/2008/01/30/ms03-origins-of-the-science/#comment-16 admin Fri, 01 Feb 2008 16:36:16 +0000 http://bitesizeislam.wordpress.com/?p=36#comment-16 The <em>'illah</em> (reason) behind a ruling [to which the application is closely tied] and the <em>maqsad</em> (objective) it serves to fulfil are two separate things. The <em>maqsad</em> has no bearing on the application, it is as Treck says, found after investigation, drawing threads together to find a common theme. The <em>'illah</em> on the other hand, is specific to a particular rule, the reason for its existence. Of course there is a relationship though, they're not completely unconnected. We can illustrate this by way of an example (again using the case of alcohol!)...the <em>'illah</em> behind the prohbition of wine (and by analogy alcohol) is its inherent intoxicating properties, this is the reason the rule is applied. The <em>maqsad</em> for this rule however, is more general. What is the objective that the rule prohibiting alchohol aims to serve? Answer: The protection of intellect. We'll IA see more examples when we come to look at the <em>darooriyaat</em> in a few posts time. Treck: Interesting point about the use of Maqasid to determine rules. Not too sure how that works in practice, but is this not covered in <em>Usool al-Fiqh</em>, where we use <em>Maslaha</em> (benefit) as a source of legislation, i.e. what is termed <em>"maslaha mu'tabara"</em> which refers to the darooriyaat? WS admin aka Faraz The ‘illah (reason) behind a ruling [to which the application is closely tied] and the maqsad (objective) it serves to fulfil are two separate things. The maqsad has no bearing on the application, it is as Treck says, found after investigation, drawing threads together to find a common theme. The ‘illah on the other hand, is specific to a particular rule, the reason for its existence.

Of course there is a relationship though, they’re not completely unconnected. We can illustrate this by way of an example (again using the case of alcohol!)…the ‘illah behind the prohbition of wine (and by analogy alcohol) is its inherent intoxicating properties, this is the reason the rule is applied. The maqsad for this rule however, is more general. What is the objective that the rule prohibiting alchohol aims to serve? Answer: The protection of intellect. We’ll IA see more examples when we come to look at the darooriyaat in a few posts time.

Treck: Interesting point about the use of Maqasid to determine rules. Not too sure how that works in practice, but is this not covered in Usool al-Fiqh, where we use Maslaha (benefit) as a source of legislation, i.e. what is termed “maslaha mu’tabara” which refers to the darooriyaat?

WS
admin aka Faraz

]]> By: Treck http://bitesizeislam.wordpress.com/2008/01/30/ms03-origins-of-the-science/#comment-15 Treck Fri, 01 Feb 2008 14:55:40 +0000 http://bitesizeislam.wordpress.com/?p=36#comment-15 AA I think the important point to note about maqaasid is that they are deduced by istiqraa or inductive logic i.e. after perousal of all aspects of a ruling, one can deduce a common thread or maqsad behind it. It has no bearing on the application of the ruling I don't think. Perhaps admin can clarify? One confusion I have is how we can use maqaasid the other weay round. i.e. start from a maqsad and deduce a ruling. In a way that would be like qiyaas but we know that qiyaas is only done on an illah and not a hikmah. So is there scope for this kind of use of maqaasid? And if so what do the scholars call it? And how is it different from qiyaas? T AA

I think the important point to note about maqaasid is that they are deduced by istiqraa or inductive logic i.e. after perousal of all aspects of a ruling, one can deduce a common thread or maqsad behind it. It has no bearing on the application of the ruling I don’t think. Perhaps admin can clarify?

One confusion I have is how we can use maqaasid the other weay round. i.e. start from a maqsad and deduce a ruling. In a way that would be like qiyaas but we know that qiyaas is only done on an illah and not a hikmah. So is there scope for this kind of use of maqaasid? And if so what do the scholars call it? And how is it different from qiyaas?

T

]]> By: irn bro http://bitesizeislam.wordpress.com/2008/01/30/ms03-origins-of-the-science/#comment-14 irn bro Fri, 01 Feb 2008 10:47:11 +0000 http://bitesizeislam.wordpress.com/?p=36#comment-14 How are the principal and secondary related to the application of the ruling? The principal ones - do they operate on a conjunctive level, i.e. if any one of them is untrue, then the ruling does not apply, or is it in a disjuntive, i.e. if any one of them is true, then the ruling applies? What about subsidiary? How are the principal and secondary related to the application of the ruling?

The principal ones – do they operate on a conjunctive level, i.e. if any one of them is untrue, then the ruling does not apply, or is it in a disjuntive, i.e. if any one of them is true, then the ruling applies?

What about subsidiary?

]]> By: admin http://bitesizeislam.wordpress.com/2008/01/30/ms03-origins-of-the-science/#comment-13 admin Thu, 31 Jan 2008 17:25:52 +0000 http://bitesizeislam.wordpress.com/?p=36#comment-13 The maqasid aren't split into multiple levels like that, just the primary (<em>'asli</em>) objective for which a better translation might be "principal objective" and the secondary (<em>taabi'</em>) objective of which there can be several. Again, a better translation of "<em>taabi'</em>" might be "subsidiary objective" WS Faraz The maqasid aren’t split into multiple levels like that, just the primary (‘asli) objective for which a better translation might be “principal objective” and the secondary (taabi’) objective of which there can be several. Again, a better translation of “taabi’” might be “subsidiary objective”

WS
Faraz

]]> By: irn bro http://bitesizeislam.wordpress.com/2008/01/30/ms03-origins-of-the-science/#comment-12 irn bro Thu, 31 Jan 2008 12:57:23 +0000 http://bitesizeislam.wordpress.com/?p=36#comment-12 Can you have tertiary maqasid of a hukm? Essentially, if you're gonna categorise 2 primary and 1 secondary, doesn't that mean there are actually 3...? And the primaries must be ranked in some fashion...? Can you have tertiary maqasid of a hukm? Essentially, if you’re gonna categorise 2 primary and 1 secondary, doesn’t that mean there are actually 3…? And the primaries must be ranked in some fashion…?

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